Episode 13: How Spirituality Supports Success In Your Heart-Centered Business, with Polly McGee

In today’s Finding Brave episode, I’m thrilled to highlight the powerful wisdom and insights of Dr. Polly McGee whose work is focused intensively on the integration of spirituality and business success.

Dr. McGee is an author, entrepreneur educator, digital strategist and yogi. As co-founder of Start-up Tasmania, she was voted one of the most influential people in Australian start-ups. She has worked with hundreds of start-ups to help them refine their business ideas and connect with their markets. A prolific speaker and writer on digital strategy and small business, Polly contributes to a range of publications and has created a suite of digital and video content and workshops. She coaches heart-centered entrepreneurs to help them scale their businesses to make a greater impact in the world.

Polly’s forthcoming new book The Good Hustle  uniquely combines the ancient wisdom of yoga with contemporary business practices in a compelling blend of mindfulness, spirituality and entrepreneurial action.

In today’s interview, Polly shares:

  1. How creating a heart-centered business and working in service to others can change the world and your own life
  2. How ancient yogic philosophies and Buddhist teachings give us a contemporary framework to use on our path to happiness
  3. How spirituality, mind management, life and work and intrinsically combined
  4. The ways that managing our minds and turning our intentions toward service can remove obstacles to happiness and success

Ultimately, Polly shares that spirituality is about being connected with the divine in each one of us, and continuing on our own personal journeys  helps us discover our own authentic answers to life’s challenges.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • Why bringing spirituality, yoga and mindfulness to a business can be such a struggle – but it needs to happen [4:17]
  • What Polly means when she says that we really need to become friends with ourselves first [11:40]
  • How spiritual practices can help an entrepreneur or startup be more successful and why it really all begins with service to others [14:36]
  • Her concept of “good hustle” and why it can’t be forgotten [21:06]
  • Why she is so passionate about helping women specifically [24:36]
  • Polly’s insights on passion, purpose and the self-help industry as a whole [27:48]
  • What happens when we attach too strongly to a particular outcome [32:16]

For more information, visit:


LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pollymcgee/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pollymcgeewriter/

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

Polly’s New Book, The Good Hustle : Creating a Happy, Healthy Business with Heart

Listen to Polly’s New Book on Audible

Kathy’s Spirituality & Success Series on Forbes and interview with Polly:


Kathy’s Amazing Career Project

Episode 4: Gender, Power and Relationships: The Crushing Effects of Patriarchy, with Terry Real


“If we are in service to people, then we are coming from a place of love and a place of holding them, rather than coming from a place of taking from them.” (4:58)

“Spirituality is about being connected with the divine in you.” (5:52)

“We can’t disavow the parts of us because we’re getting somewhere better. We are already there. This self we’re presenting in this moment is the only self we have and we have to love every part of that.” (11:21)

“Our business is a very clear indication of what’s going on in our mind.” (21:56)

“Passion and purpose are so intimate. They’re so personal. So if we don’t know what they are, then we feel we are failing on so many levels, because if we don’t know what they are, how the hell are we ever going to find out?” (27:46)

“There’s no problem having stuff. The problem is when we attach to it.” [33:23]

“It’s really about just having that belief that you don’t have to control everything.” [38:54]


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Episode 12: This is How We Rise - As Positive Change Agents In The World, with Claudia Chan

Many people deeply long to make a positive impact and a difference in their lives and in the world around them. They want to leave the world a better place for both women and men, and leave a legacy behind that lasts well beyond their physical existence. But how, exactly, can we do that?

Today, Claudia Chan joins Finding Brave to share her personal experiences, strategies and insights on how we rise above our current situation and become a positive change agent in our lives and work.

Claudia is a recognized expert on leadership and social entrepreneurship dedicated to activating individuals and organizations to lead change in the world and advance gender equality. She is the founder of the award-winning global leadership conference, S.H.E. Summit, which has made advancing women’s leadership accessible and actionable.

Each year the event connects, educates, and activates women’s empowerment champions; speakers have included Deepak Chopra, Kelly Clarkson, Morgan Stanley’s Carla Harris, Sallie Krawcheck, Gabrielle Bernstein, Soledad O’Brien, and UN Ambassador Samantha Power, among others. She also leads S.H.E. Globl Media, a corporate initiative that helps Fortune 1000 companies modernize and accelerate their diversity initiatives with the goal of achieving gender parity by 2030 through various programs and services.

Listen in as we discuss complex issues including:

  • What is gender equality, really?
  • What holds us back from listening to each other, and how does that, in turn, block us from being more effective in our leadership
  • How can we all do more of what we’re passionate about, and discover our life’s purpose amidst all the distractions
  • Is it necessary to engage our life’s purpose in our paid work?
  • Who, specifically, do we need to get help from in order to bring about the changes we care most about?

Highlights from this Episode:

  • Where Claudia’s passion for gender equality comes from and why she’s made it her mission to have this conversation [3:35]
  • Why she feels that it’s the destiny of everyone to be a change agent [9:08]
  • The approach Claudia has taken to make her Summits more inclusive for others [13:14]
  • Why she now focuses on the term “Gender Equality” instead of “Women’s Empowerment” [14:25]
  • Practical strategies for becoming an agent of change and the role that passion, purpose and your vision will play in this [17:50]
  • What a people working in the corporate world can do to lead change, without quitting their jobs [25:45]

For more information, visit:


Twitter: https://twitter.com/claudiachan

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shesummit/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SHESummit/

Email: office@sheglobl.com

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

Claudia’s Book, This Is How We Rise: Reach Your Highest Potential, Empower Women, Lead Change in the World

Kathy’s Amazing Career Project

Kathy’s Forbes Post, What Is Feminism, And Why Do So Many Women And Men Hate It?

Thrive Global

Raw Goddess


“Regardless of your gender, your color, your background or your culture, all people should be treated equally.” [5:15]

“My message is to first motivate you that everything has happened for you in your life to actually lead change for something bigger than you.” [9:05]

“To be really good leaders and to actually effect change for something, we need to take a more inclusive approach.” [10:56]

“I had all these stories of all these people, that didn’t necessarily fit the profile of S.H.E. Summit, but it helped me curate and market and really design my programming in a way that was inclusive of those women.” [12:53]

“How can we create a more inclusive culture? Are we being inclusive and are people being treated equally and fairly? I’m starting to really change our wording; I think that’s important.” [16:37]

“Spearhead a project for a cause. Do it within the framework of your organization and the impact can be enormous.” [31:11]


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Episode 11: How Dramatic Change Will Reveal Who You Really Are (and How To Grow From It)

Dramatic change — whether we hoped and worked for that change or didn’t see it coming and it blindsides us — happens to each of us at one point or another in our lives.  The question is, “Are we growing stronger, happier and more of who we really are through this big change, or are we breaking ourselves against it?”

In today’s episode, Kathy shares her deeply personal experiences with dramatic change in her life and career, and explores dramatic change from two perspectives:

  1. What dramatic change reveals about who you really are, what you are capable of creating and achieving, and who is truly supportive in your life


2) Four helpful ways to leverage dramatic change (even if you think it’s “terrible” and “unfair”) so that it enriches your life, and makes you feel more of who you really are, and very grateful to have faced it.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • How coaching can assist people looking to drastically change their lives [7:12]
  • How to determine who your true friends are, who will help you through the hardest times in your life, versus just “fair-weather” friends [8:55]
  • Why you need to be prepared for judgments from others when doing something brave [9:30]
  • What happens when you address change in a life-affirming way and welcome it [12:50]
  • The very first thing to work on when you’re faced with dramatic change [14:17]
  • Why the concept of “fairness” doesn’t work well in life and what we can do instead of being a victim [16:22]
  • What you can do to heal your inner pessimist and why you should take the steps to do this [19:02]
  • Tips and strategies for confronting change head on, along with the powerful questions we need to ask ourselves

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

Kathy’s posts:

5 Ways Dramatic Change Can Boost Your Happiness and Success

How to Tell When NOT to Listen To Advice

Kathy’s book Breakdown, Breakthrough: The Professional Woman’s Guide to Claiming a Life of Passion, Power and Purpose

Finding Brave Facebook page:


Kathy’s Amazing Career Project online course



“It’s always interesting when I’m experiencing things in my life that echo the challenges my clients are facing.” [2:26]

“Even when you have actively pursued and wanted some form of significant change, it still rocks you.” [3:28]

“People will put onto you all sorts of things they think is right, but really none of it has to do with you.” [11:04]

“When we’re petrified of change, then we stay way too long in situations that hurt us and that’s where the real damage comes.” [13:21]

“I feel that if you say all the time “it’s not fair,” it’s really important that you shift out of that.” [18:33]


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Episode 10: What Keeps People From Experiencing True Compassion and How We Can Heal, with Lynn Carroll

Is our culture becoming less compassionate? If so, are there ways that we can develop more compassion in our daily lives so we can experience more joy, love, fulfillment, and connection?

In this episode of Finding Brave, special guest therapist Lynn Carroll addresses these probing questions and shares her in-depth expertise on compassion and healing.

Lynn Carroll is a psychotherapist who specializes in the mind/body connection. In private practice for 25 years and also a consultant for substance abuse treatment centers throughout Florida, Lynn works on an intuitive, therapeutic level that helps support her clients’ ability to work more deeply within themselves. She has worked on trauma teams and helped thousands of people process through challenging obstacles such as addictions, depression, anxiety, life challenges, marital issues, relationship problems, career challenges, grief and loss of a loved one. And Lynn has been a tremendous agent of change in Kathy’s person and professional life (and in the lives of her clients and course members) as well over the past 10 years.

As you’ll hear, the only way to be compassionate is to have it towards your own soul. But we don’t need to completely reinvent ourselves to start living more loving, meaningful lives. We just need to begin with a bit more love and tolerance for the deeply painful experiences that are universal to all human beings.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • What does compassion really mean, and why we are struggling with it [10:34]
  • How a society’s value system plays a critical role in the development of compassion [15:19]
  • What is the single most important parenting behavior that you can give your child in order to instill a sense of compassion [21:09]
  • Which traits in a person will drive non-compassionate actions and behaviors [22:49]
  • What is really happening when someone is rejected [26:34]
  • A reminder of how precious life is, but how painful it is to love [38:10]
  • Practical strategies to start becoming more compassionate today [43:14]

For more information, visit:


(561) 676 – 3393

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

Finding Brave Episode 4: Gender, Power and Relationships: The Crushing Effects of Patriarchy, with Terry Real

Emma Seppala, PhD (The Center for Compassion and Altruism Research and Education, Stanford Medicine)


“(Capitalism) has a way of breeding a value system of wanting more, and more and more. There are certainly pros and there are cons to every system.” [18:17]

“We don’t forgive by being in opposition. We forgive by being in union.” [29:52]

“Compassion gives that ability to align with one another.” [30:44]

“We have no idea how we impact other people’s lives.” [47:48]


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Episode 9: How Living With Less Leads To So Much More, with Courtney Carver

On today’s Finding Brave, Courtney Carver shares how she realized she needed to make huge changes to her high-stress life after a devastating diagnosis in 2006. Through her process of simplifying, decluttering and letting go, she was able to reverse her debilitating symptoms of multiple sclerosis and dramatically improve her life, work and relationships in truly amazing ways. And she teaches us how we can do the same.

The founder of bemorewithless.com and of the minimalist fashion challenge Project 333, Courtney is the author of the riveting new book Soulful Simplicity: How Living With Less Can Lead To So Much More, recently published by Penguin Random House.

In our interview, she reveals the power of simplicity to improve our health, build more meaningful relationships, and relieve stress in ways that will transform how you live, love and work.

While Courtney has been able to bring about big transformations, she explains how BIG change is actually the result of many, consistent micro steps, and they all count. Simplicity is more than just clean countertops and organized bookshelves; it’s the way back to love.

Most importantly, after listening to today’s show, you’ll see how taking care of yourself in mindful, loving and fully present ways is the most unselfish thing you can do.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • How Courtney came to realize that simplifying her life was the answer, and the steps she took towards this [5:18]
  • Her thoughts on getting outside help versus learning how to listen to your own voice [13:02]
  • The critical ways simplifying your life can lead to experiencing more love [14:39]
  • Courtney’s advice for the high-level employee looking to “de-clutter” his or her career [16:57]
  • How Courtney’s work has affected the relationships with her family, and why she considers her book a “love letter” to her daughter [20:49]
  • The practical steps to take now to get you moving on the path to simplification [24:57]
  • Why consistency is so much more important than intensity [25:23]

For more information, visit:



Instagram: @bemorewithless

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bemorewithlessdotcom

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

Courtney’s Book, Soulful Simplicity: How Living with Less Can Lead to So Much More

The Whole30 Diet & Resources


“I really had to stop and assess how I was living my life, and figure out how to live well with MS, but also how to live well.” [3:46]

“At first I didn’t think of that clutter as stress, but when I really started paying attention to it, it was this constant reminder of my debt and discontent.” [7:39]

“I forgot that what I believed mattered, and that’s really where the entire journey has come from. It’s knowing that I can trust myself, and learning how to trust myself again.” [14:13]

“Without presence there’s very little connection. Without connection, there’s very little chance for love.” [15:14]



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Episode 8: 5 Things Small Businesses Need to Do Better to Generate More Profit, with Trivinia Barber

Are you a business owner who’s is feeling overwhelmed with all the tasks you are doing on your own, but you aren’t sure if it’s the right time to ask for help? Even if it were the right time for assistance, would you know where to turn to get it? On today’s episode, Kathy Caprino welcomes Trivinia Barber, the founder of Priority VA, to explore the things that small businesses can do now to start generating more profit, while reducing overwhelm.

Priority VA  is a boutique Virtual Assistant Agency that matches elite level entrepreneurs like Todd Herman and and Ray Edwards with highly skilled assistants who “get” the online space and come prepared to deliver massive ROI right out of the gate.  

Trivinia shares why you really can’t do it alone if you’re aim is to run a successful business, and she gives us practical strategies for how to get to where you want to be so your business isn’t running you.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • The biggest thing that Trivinia takes away from every experience with someone she meets [4:12]
  • Why pivoting too often in your business can be limiting your progress [5:42]
  • A transition that will need to occur when you go from operator to CEO in your business and how to handle the resulting “growing pains” [14:17]
  • Why taking on the wrong client is not only a disservice to you and your team, but the client [17:34]
  • What to focus on instead of “vanity metrics” [22:56]
  • The single biggest reason that women business owners are not hiring extra help and the mindset shift that has to happen around this [29:57]
  • A simple strategy that Trivinia used to stay clear with her goals [30:00]

For more information, visit:



LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/trivinia-barber-3405b858/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PriorityVA/

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

Trivinia’s Free Guide, 50 Tasks to Outsource to a Virtual Assistant

Kathy’s article, Tired Of Working So Hard Without Success? Learn How Top Performers Do Less And Achieve More

Suggested resource: Free Chrome Extension, Loom

The E-Myth Revisited by Michael E. Gerber  

COO Alliance

Todd Herman’s 90 Day Year

Amy Porterfield, Facebook Marketing Expert


“We are visionaries at heart, so we will very easily pivot to the next big thing that we want to work on, but often we do it at the detriment of what we said we were going to accomplish.” [5:57]

“A problem for us as entrepreneurs is that we do get excited about something, but we need to have somebody to hand off that baton to so that we can be excited about the next thing to do.” [10:50]

“What are your skills and talents best used for, and how can you outsource the rest?” [16:33]

“You cannot be everything to everybody. You’ve got to pick a lane and you’ve got to stay the course.” [17:34]

“If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together.” (African Proverb mentioned by Trivinia)


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Episode 7: Overcoming Your Biggest Blocks to Courage, with Bill Treasurer

On today’s powerful episode of Finding Brave, Kathy Caprino is joined by the inspiring author, leadership consultant and advisor Bill Treasurer, the founder of Giant Leap Consulting, a “courage-building” company, and author of five books, including Courage Goes to Work, Leaders Open Doors, and Right Risk. For over two decades, Bill has worked with thousands of leaders across the globe, strengthening their leadership impact, and building their courage. Among others, Bill’s clients include NASA, Spanx, eBay, Lenovo, Armstrong Flooring, UBS Bank, Hugo Boss, the Pittsburgh Pirates, and the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. Bill’s insights about courage and risk-taking have been featured in over 100 newspapers and magazines, including the Washington Post, NY Daily News, Chicago Tribune, Boston Herald, Woman’s Day, Redbook, and The Harvard Management Update.

You’ll hear Bill share his riveting personal story of how he first “found brave” in his teen years, and his keen insights and tips for expanding courage in your life — putting courage to work to build your impact, deepen your personal fulfillment and achieve your highest potential. Bill also shares powerful ways to generate true confidence that blends both humility and self-worth, and how to find the courage to answer the one key question that will help you achieve the ultimate purpose you are here to fulfill.   

Highlights from this Episode:

  • How Bill got started with the work he does around challenge, and the way he found his own courage [4:30]
  • A powerful lesson his own daughter taught him on acquiring bravery [9:35]
  • The things people don’t understand about bravery and courage [15:38]
  • The “mirror check” that you can use when making big decisions [17:25]
  • What happened in Bill’s corporate career that led him to starting his own business [20:05]
  • Why power, especially in the hands of a male, can be so destructive [24:45]
  • The reason Bill says that exposure to the occasional humiliation can be a good thing [21:20]
  • What occurs when someone has true confidence [31:15]
  • The four most important words in the English language to Bill [32:55]

For more information, visit:


Email Bill

Twitter: @btreasurer

LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/courage

Facebook: http://facebook.com/bill.treasurer

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

Bill’s Books

Kathy’s TEDx talk “Time to Brave Up

Episode 4: Gender, Power and Relationships: The Crushing Effects of Patriarchy, with Terry Real

Kathy’s Articles, Longing to Start Something Stupid? How Pursuing ‘Stupid’ Will Transform Your Life & How Being Humiliated Can Make You A Great Leader


“You never know when you might say the right thing that unlocks a person in a certain way.” [3:38]

“Courage is often a decision.” [5:35]

“This idea of courage is multidimensional. A person may be courageous in one area, in one realm of their life, and don’t even know it.” [9:41]

“You literally, as you know, can become comfortable in discomfort.” [15:10]

“Fear is essential for courage.” [16:26]

“I had this song playing in my heart that was being stuffed under, and I knew…the song wasn’t coming out, and if I stayed there, it wouldn’t come out.” [23:59].”


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Episode 6: Busting 5 Damaging Myths of Entrepreneurship, with Marc Mawhinney

Marc Mawhinney joins Kathy Caprino in today’s episode of Finding Brave to explore 5 damaging myths that new coaches and entrepreneurs suffer from. Known as the coach for coaches, Marc is a lifelong entrepreneur who’s on a mission to help coaches build successful businesses. He achieves this with his coaching programs, his podcast, Natural Born Coaches; his Facebook group The Coaching Jungle, and his exclusive print newsletter – Secret Coach Club.

In this eye-opening, straight-talking conversation, Marc and Kathy discuss the entrepreneurial challenges of perfectionism, following faulty “guru” advice, pricing mistakes, niche development, excessive planning, and more. Marc’s advice doesn’t just apply to coaches — all new entrepreneurs who are committed to success while making a positive impact in their work will gain important strategies and tips for success.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • Why entrepreneurship may or may not be right for you [4:04]
  • What the “perfectionist trap” is all about and how it’s holding so many people back [13:05]
  • The reason why the advice of the “gurus” may not necessarily apply to your own situation – and what Marc would do now if he was starting over [17:50]
  • How the coaching industry has evolved and what you really need to look for [25:27]
  • The challenges and struggles that have shaped Marc [26:25]
  • Who Marc wants to work with (and why you don’t have to (and shouldn’t try to) help everyone) [27:52]
  • What people are afraid of when it comes to niching down [32:05]
  • His thoughts on pricing and a powerful lesson on charging what you’re worth [34:25]
  • The one thing to do right now to get started with your business [39:05]

For more information, visit:


Resources mentioned in this podcast:

Marc Mawhinney’s programs:

Podcasts: Natural Born Coaches & The Marc Mawhinney Show

Facebook Group, The Coaching Jungle

Marc’s Monthly Print Newsletter, Secret Coach Club

Kathy’s appearance on Natural Born Coaches

Other resources:

Marc’s appearance on John Lee Dumas’ Entrepreneur on Fire

Kathy’s Amazing Career Coach Certification Program and private coaching program

Kathy’s Prosperity Marketing coaching program

Kathy’s Forbes blog “Career Bliss


Thick Face, Black Heart by Ching-Ning Chu

The Go-Giver by Bob Burg

Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill

Tribe of Mentors, The 4-Hour Workweek & Tools of Titans by Tim Ferriss


“It’s easy to technically say that you’re an entrepreneur and jump out there, but you and I know that there’s a lot more (to it) than just that.” [4:54]

“Anyone who expects to come in and work four hours, or even 40 hours a week, you’re probably mistaken. You’re going to have to work a lot harder than that.” [5:39]

“If you’re in the mushy middle you won’t get anybody criticizing you, but you’re not going to get people standing up for you either, so you’re always better to polarize.” [11:02]

“Unfortunately I see way too many coaches and online entrepreneurs using planning as an excuse to not take action.” [14:14]

“You can’t get attached to every single prospect that enters into your line of sight.” [30:02]



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Episode 5: How To Land a Dream Job at the Salary You Deserve, with Austin Belcak

Today’s guest for Finding Brave is Austin Belcak, the founder of Cultivated Culture. Through his work, Austin helps people land amazing jobs that they love – at the salaries they deserve.

Austin shares his powerful personal story of pursuing a degree that in the end, didn’t help him land work he would enjoy (or work at all!).  After applying to approximately 200 jobs online in the space of a couple of months and hearing nothing but one letter of rejection, he decided he needed to take a completely different tack. He embarked on a journey of researching exactly what people his age had done to secure amazing positions at the nation’s top companies, including Google, Microsoft and Twitter. From his intensive research, he began applying what he learned to secure a dream job, and launched his own business helping others do the same.

Austin’s strategies have been featured in Forbes, Business Insider, Inc., Fast Company, and more, and his students have landed interviews and offers at Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Twitter, Uber, Deloitte, Accenture, ESPN and more.

The strategies you’ll hear in this episode go far beyond what you hear every day, and Austin’s advice can be applied immediately to your own job search to get you noticed and moving in a direction you’ll be thrilled with.   

Austin is one of those individuals who has truly turned his “mess into a message,” and you’ll be inspired by his success to build your own.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • What Austin decided to do when he realized that his degree wasn’t be enough to get him the job he was after [6:07]
  • Why your network is becoming even more important in today’s job market [10:26]
  • How to muster the confidence needed – from the inside! [15:37]
  • Ways to interject your personality into the job search, while making the other person feel valuable [17:52]
  • How getting excited to go the extra mile (and providing added value) is a true investment you make in yourself [23:54]
  • Why when approaching influencers, your energy (and intent) is so important [30:17]

For more information, visit:


Resources mentioned in this podcast:

Austin’s Resume Revamp course: https://cultivatedculture.com/findingbrave/

His blog: https://cultivatedculture.com/blog/




“I was miserable. I was really unhappy because I figured that again, my degree would have gotten me something that I wanted to do.” [5:55]

“I ended up applying to about anywhere from 150 to 200 jobs online in the space of a couple of months. The only time I heard back from somebody was an automated rejection letter.” [7:27]

“Only take advice from the people who already have what you want.” [8:15]

“When it comes to job searching who you know will get you in the door, what you know will get you the rest of the way.” [12:05]

“When I did jump on the phone with them…my agenda was to figure out something I could latch onto where I could provide value. [19:20]

“Job searching for a dream job is a full-time job on its own.” [24:05]

“Being able to put in a couple of hours consistently, every single day, those small wins add up.” [28:51]

“The best thing that I can recommend is just always think about what you can give and where you can add value.” [30:25]



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Episode 4: Gender, Power and Relationships: The Crushing Effects of Patriarchy, with Terry Real

Bestselling author and nationally renowned couple’s and family therapist Terry Real joins Finding Brave to explore the critical and complex  issues at the heart of Gender, Power, and Relationships.

A lecturer for over twenty years, Terry is a member of the senior faculty at the Family Institute of Cambridge and Director of the Gender Relations program at the Meadows Institute in Arizona. His work shares a rigorous yet commonsense approach, and speaks to both men and women powerfully. His ideas on men’s issues and on couple’s therapy have been celebrated in venues from Good Morning America, The Today Show and 20/20, to Oprah and The New York Times.

A proponent of “full-throttle marriage,” as described in his book The New Rules of Marriage, Terry has been called “the most innovative voice in thinking about and treating men and their relationships in the world today.”

Join us in this raw, emotional and eye-opening discussion that explores:

  1. The far-reaching and damaging effects of patriarchy for both men and women today
  2. How men are trained to hate and shun vulnerability and what that does to their ability to live fully, relate with others and connect intimately
  3. How men can assess with one simple question if their behavior with and to women is appropriate or not
  4. Ways in which parents can help their children today find wholeness, which is essential for healthy, loving, connected lives
  5. The difference between empathy and compassion, and why compassion is essential to relationships 
  6. The top three steps to take today to begin to reverse the damage that our gender role training has forced within us

Highlights from this Episode:

  • Learning to be a man today can be confusing, but it doesn’t have to be that way [3:36]
  • Terry’s definition of “patriarchy” and what each of us can achieve and experience when we get out of it [6:49]
  • What is the “halving” process that both men and women have been taught [10:21]
  • What is expected of men in today’s society, from a female’s perspective [15:41]
  • You can step out of the frame of patriarchy and seize your own empowerment – but how? [21:32]
  • A powerful, living example of wholeness that we observed in first responders during the tragedies of 9/11 [27:31]

For more information, visit:

Terry Real – http://www.terryreal.com

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

Terry’s book How Can I Get Through To You

Terry’s “How’s My Relationship” Quiz: http://www.terryreal.com/quiz/

Terry’s Trainings: http://www.terryreal.com/training/

Stay tuned for Kathy’s interview with Terry coming in February in her Forbes blog “Career Bliss.”


“Into the mix comes a challenge to traditional masculinity, without a very clear vision of what the next step is.” [4:33]

“The essence of masculinity is contempt for the feminine.” [12:53]

“If there is a powerful figure and a substantially less powerful figure, can there even be consent?” [32:58]

“I think people overuse the word empathy, and what we really mean is compassion.” [36:07]