Episode 25: Top Leadership Lessons From Omega Institute's Pioneering Programs, with Carla Goldstein

“I think in the middle of that storm, in the eye of that storm, is a new emerging consciousness of interconnection, and of a desire to bring hope and healing forward, and people are doing that in a lot of creative and different ways.” – Carla Goldstein

Even with all the polarizing points of view and differences of opinions in the world today, there is an inner connectedness between all of us. Today’s guest on Finding Brave, Carla Goldstein, has made it her mission to help people build a deeper understanding of this idea and experience of connectedness, and to leverage that understanding to lead, manage and communicate differently.

Carla Goldstein, JD, is a pioneer in women’s leadership with 25 years of public policy experience serving as Omega Institute’s chief external affairs officer to help Omega connect its work to change-making efforts around the world. She is also the cofounder of the Omega Women’s Leadership Center, a hub for convening, inspiring, and training women to # DoPowerDifferently. The Omega Institute for Holistic Studies receives more than 500 teachers and 23,000 people annually to attend its workshops, conferences, and retreats in Rhinebeck, New York.

How do we need to shift, and what must we need to address more effectively to connect with our universal humanity and support the deeper connection we need to thrive in today’s world? In this thought-provoking conversation, Carla shares helps us answer these questions and move towards healing, finding a different way to solve our conflicts with each other.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • What Omega has representing for the past 41 years, and what the organization is attempting to do in the world today [2:49]
  • What Carla feels is our deepest calling as a society [4:58]
  • How she is using her work as a healing tool to provide hope for others [8:54]
  • Why the “fundamental domination model” is keeping stuck – but there’s good news too [10:17]
  • The reason our natural instincts, such as “fight or flight”, are no longer serving us [18:51]
  • What changes and trends Carla is seeing in society over the past 5 years and a major lesson she’s learned about people in crisis [20:42]
  • Why there is so much heightened anxiety today and what we have to continue to remind ourselves [28:08]
  • One of the biggest challenges she sees facing leaders today [31:31]

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Resources Mentioned:

The Omega Women’s Leadership Intensive, October 2018

January 21, 2018: Sunday Sermon by Dr. Brené Brown at Washington National Cathedral

Also of interest:

Kathy’s Forbes Interview with Carla, How Women In Leadership Are Doing Power Differently, And Why They Must


“All living things are interconnected. You know, the knee bone is connected to the shin bone. I am connected to you; our hearts are connected (and) we’re connected to The Earth.” [4:11]

“We believe that so much of what plagues us is isolation, and isolation comes from disconnection.” [7:25]

“What makes a brave person, and what kinds of courage do we need to have in order to change the trajectory of the human story?” [16:28]

“The human experience is equalizing; it’s universal.” [22:00]

“We also see a deepening understanding that the problems we’re facing now are not just because of now, that they have a long tail and they have a long history.” [25:01]

“One of the things we are coming to understand about leadership is how contextual it is. Context is constantly changing.” [31:56]

“We need to encourage each other to be brave.” [35:56]


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Episode 24: 7 Damaging Ways Parents Keep Their Children From Growing Up

“Unless you have consciously addressed it, you’re probably reliving many patterns from childhood that you actually aren’t aware of and wouldn’t choose.”- Kathy Caprino

In January 2014,  I had the opportunity to talk with leadership expert Dr. Tim Elmore and learn more about how we as parents are failing our children today — coddling and crippling them — and keeping them from becoming leaders they are destined to be. The resulting Forbes article went viral, with 7.8 million views to date, and from this, it’s clear parenting today is an issue that warrants more discussion and more research-based guidance.

Today’s episode of Finding Brave offers my personal take on the question of how we parent our children so they grow up  healthy, self-confident and self-reliant, and very able to lead their life from their own values, ideas and beliefs. I share my own personal experiences as a parent, marriage and family therapist and someone who coaches thousands of mid-life professionals through limiting and negative beliefs, mindsets and behaviors that, sadly, they acquired through their childhoods that have damaged them.

You’ll hear how when it comes to parenting, everything we do for our children starts with us. I’m not judging here, as I’ve made every single one of these mistakes I’m talking about here, but the key is becoming more aware of the ways we are tripping up our children and getting in the way of their growing up successfully.

If what I talk about today resonates with you, please comment below and feel free to connect with me on Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn or Facebook. I’d love to hear about the topics that you’re struggling with, whether it be personally or professionally, so that I can discuss them on a future episode of the podcast.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • What I feel is an unequivocally bad way to approach parenting [9:01]
  • The unintended consequences of not allowing our children to risk, and how I addressed risk with my own children as they were growing up [10:15]
  • Why doing everything for our children is not effectively assisting them [13:57]
  • An experience that I had that taught me the importance of being realistic regarding the abilities of my children [15:41]
  • What happens when we let guilt get into the way of leading and parenting well [18:39]
  • How I’ve worked on my own insufficient boundaries and why this was necessary for a happy, successful life [19:35]
  • What we shouldn’t do when rewarding our kids [21:07]
  • How open we should be when sharing about our own experiences growing up [22:03]
  • Why intelligence isn’t a true measurement of maturity [24:56]
  • The reasons I recommend people talk to a marriage and family therapist [30:31]
  • My specific recommended strategies for moving forward to healthier parenting [31:16]

Resources Mentioned:

Episode 23: How To Take The High Road And Not Feed Hate

Arianna Huffington’s Thrive movement

Kathy’s blog on Thrive Global

American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy & Marriage and Family Therapist Locator

Finding Brave episode with Tim Elmore – How To Support Our Children To Navigate a Brand New World

Why Not Sharing Details of Parents’ Past Drug Use to Their Children is recommended


For hands-on help from Kathy:

Parenting for Success 4-session coaching program

Amazing Career Project 16-week online course

Amazing Career Certification Training For Coaches

Kathy’s Finding Brave monthly Group Coaching program

Private Career, Leadership and Personal Growth Coaching Services from Kathy

Kathy’s speaking services

Also of interest:

Kathy’s Forbes Article with Dr. Tim Elmore, 7 Crippling Parenting Behaviors That Keep Children From Growing Into Leaders


“If we’re going to talk about parenting, everything we do for our children starts with us.” [3:18]

“How many of us are doing the things that we read about, that we know are wrong?” [2:47]

“Everything we’re doing to our children, and everything that has been done to adults as children, is absolutely self-evident in their work, in their life and in their relationships.” [9:44]

“It’s a tough world right now, much more so than 20, 30 or 50 years ago in terms of our access to the negativity.” [10:48]

“The reality is your kid doesn’t have to love and be thrilled with you every minute. In fact, if that’s what you’re going for, you’re damaging them.” [19:05]

“It’s our responsibility as parents to model the life that we hope our children want to live, or model the life we want them to live.” [26:36]


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Episode 23: How To Take the High Road and Not Feed Hate

“How am I going to do to deal with these hard challenges in a way that will add positivity? We don’t need any more negativity,, hate, blame and vitriolic tearing down of human beings. What we need is positive, effective, balanced, reasoned ways of dealing with the challenges.” – Kathy Caprino

What’s happening in our world today that’s unleashed so much vitriol, rage and hatred? Everywhere we turn, whether it’s from public figures in the spotlight or people on social media, we’re seeing millions of people tearing others down mercilessly. It doesn’t have to be this way, and on today’s Finding Brave I share my thoughts on how we can all do our part to start taking the high road, and demonstrate values that support humanity, connectedness and compassion, not rip it apart. We each can use our voices powerfully and stand up for what we believe, but also do it in a respectful, caring way at the same time.

If you want to be known as someone who elevates, enlightens and educates, I hope you find this show helpful on your path.

I’d love to hear from you about how you take the high road or why you choose not to. Please comment below or connect with me on Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn or Facebook. Whether you agree or disagree with what I share here, please respond respectfully so we can build helpful bridges and support each other on this journey through life.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • What taking the high road in a situation can sometimes be mistaken for [3:19]
  • Changes that have happened in this world over the past number of years and how they’ve impacted us [4:46]
  • A fascinating experiment from 1963 that sheds light on human behavior and what is happening today [6:20]
  • The role that leadership in the United States has played in the current environment [11:06]
  • What to do to help you take the high road [13:11]
  • Why the Roseanne Barr situation has actually been a positive [20:31]
  • The two questions to ask yourself before posting a reply to someone on social media [23:09]
  • What things we really need in society today to support it [27:21]

Resources Mentioned:

The Milgram Experiment

January 21, 2018: Sunday Sermon by Dr. Brené Brown at Washington National Cathedral

Episode 19: How To Speak Up Effectively When You Feel You Can’t, with Kathy Caprino

Also of interest:

Kathy’s Forbes Post, What Is Feminism, And Why Do So Many Women And Men Hate It?


“I believe that people with a platform have a responsibility to make a positive difference.” [3:19]

“When you can’t see the person you’re hurting, you’re freer to commit an atrocity.” [9:45]

“We seem to have totally lost the ability to calmly and rationally discuss politics or other emotional issues.” [10:30]

“When someone comes at you with that much hate, sadly, what they don’t realize is what that shows about them.” [15:03]

“We’ve got to find brave in ourselves and breathe, regulate, and manage our emotions and our words, so that every world that you say, you’ve thought about and chosen carefully.” [27:49]


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Episode 22: How To Teach What You Know, With Confidence and Success, with David Siteman Garland

“Basically a lot of people…end up teaching the course they wish they had taken.” – David Siteman Garland

With the huge popularity of online courses today, you may be wondering if it’s time that you offered a course to your core audience or community, to help them in some meaningful way. If so, what would you choose to teach, who would you desire to help most, and how would you get started developing in?

Today’s expert guest on Finding Brave shares insider tips and strategies to help you answer those questions.

The creator of The Rise To The Top & Create Awesome Online Courses, David Siteman Garland is a top expert in guiding people through the process of creating and selling their own online courses. He’s taught thousands of students in over 100 countries who have launched successful courses on everything from teaching kindergarten to snowboarding.

Not only does David share why online courses are such a great way to  scale your business, but you’ll also hear the biggest mistakes people make when when they start out creating an online course. He reveals what you should expect to spend in terms of budget, as well as other powerful suggestions and advice to get you moving in developing and launching your own course that will make a difference to the people you’re passionate about supporting.   

Highlights from this Episode:

  • How someone can tell when they truly have something to teach – and monetize [4:34]
  • Why you shouldn’t discount the power of your own story and use it to sell a course [6:39]
  • What makes a successful online course [8:24]
  • How David helps his students break things down in order to teach others what they know [11:43]
  • The way that someone can identify the perfect niche for what they wish to teach [17:04]
  • Why David says that a course for everyone is really a course for nobody [22:41]
  • What David recommends in terms of use of video and how he creates courses for his own business [24:49]
  • Why you always need to be thinking long-term with courses, and starting small is perfectly fine to do [31:49]

For more information:




Twitter: @TheRiseToTheTop

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidsitemangarland/

Instagram: @davidsitemandgarland

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/risetothetop

Resources Mentioned:

David’s Free Training, 7 Steps to Creating, Promoting & Profiting from Online Courses

His E-Book, 7 Steps to Creating, Promoting & Profiting from Online Courses

David’s Podcast & Blog

Shane Olson’s 3D Character Workshop

Renae Christine Way’s Cupcake Trainings

Also of interest:

Kathy’s Forbes Interview with David, Launching A Successful Online Course Can Change The Course Of Your Business


“It’s all about the result. If you’ve gotten the result, there you go.” [6:53]

“When people are starting out, they’re teaching people who were like them at one time.” [10:04]

“If you can’t break it down, the way that I’m going to explain it right now, it’s not a good course topic.” [11:58]

“A lot of times it’s going to take trial and error to find that perfect niche.” [17:12]

“The coolest thing about having an online brand or personality-based business, is that you get to choose who you want to hang out with.” [21:21]

“To know that what you’re doing is helping people in some small, or huge way, is pretty exciting.” [36:11]


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Episode 21: How To Deal With Sexual Harassment At Work, and Protect Yourself, with Tom Spiggle

“If you are facing retaliation at work, report it. Report it, report it, report it. By reporting it, not only do you potential have a claim for sexual harassment, you also have a claim for retaliation if they fire you afterwards.” – Tom Spiggle

Sexual harassment is something we all need to have greater awareness of around us, but what should we do it’s happened to us? How has the #MeToo movement changed how we’re experiencing this issue, particularly in today’s corporate world?

Your career is an asset and you should use the law to protect it, just as you would use a will to protect your physical estate. Our guest expert today shares exactly how to approach protecting yourself against mistreatment and harassment in the workplace.  

Tom Spiggle is a former federal prosecutor and founder of The Spiggle Law Firm, a firm that empowers women who have been fired or are afraid that they might be.

Tom shares powerful resources that help us navigate the complex issues around sexual harassment, and as you’ll hear, even a little bit of knowledge can go a long way when it comes to employment law. Getting the legal help you need usually does not involve a lengthy, and public, legal battle. Applying just a few basic legal principles discussed here today can help you come out on top, without going to court.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • The very personal reason that Tom does the work that he does in supporting women [2:13]
  • How we can use the law to protect our career, much like a will protects an estate [5:03]
  • The ways that the #MeToo movement has changed both the corporate world and the legal system [14:13]
  • What first steps you should take if you’ve been harassed [17:23]
  • Common misconceptions about lawyers and the legal system, and why even just a consultation is such a smart idea [19:08]
  • What potential consequences to your career to consider, both good and bad, when seeking legal recourse and why this should be about more than just a settlement [24:02]
  • What non-disclosure agreements are all about and whether or not we should sign one [29:33]
  • How everything that is happening in the world today in relation to sexual harassment is affecting men as well as women [30:28]

For more information:


Twitter: @tspiggle

FB: https://www.facebook.com/spigglelaw/?ref=bookmarks

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-spiggle-6870775/

Phone: (202) 449-8527

Resources Mentioned:

Tom’s Book, You’re Pregnant? You’re Fired!

DIY Legal Self-Help Legal Leverage Program and Blog Post about the Program

Episode 4: Gender, Power and Relationships: The Crushing Effects of Patriarchy, with Terry Real

Equal Employment Opportunity Commission

Avvo Lawyer Locator Site

National Employment Lawyers Association

Also of interest:

Kathy’s Forbes Interview with Tom, What To Do If You’ve Been Sexually Harassed In The Workplace


“There just seemed to be such a need, that that’s why I decided to focus on (in my career).” [4:33]

“A non-compete (clause) is only as powerful as the company’s willingness to enforce it.” [6:30]

“(#MeToo) is giving people a voice and helping people to realize that this happens.” [16:19]

“Not all lawyers have sharpened fangs and the first thing we’re going to do is drag you off to the courthouse steps; a lawyer who works a lot in this field is going to be sensitive to the realities of what you’re facing and will give you good advice.” [19:01]

“Your testimony, your story, is all you need to move forward in these kinds of cases. It’s evidence, and I don’t think a lot of people realize that.” [22:05]


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Episode 20: How To Achieve Your Potential By Embracing Your Passion and Purpose, with Lilian Ajayi-Ore

“I force my students to really challenge their minds to ignite both the right side of their brain and the left side of their brain. So they bring in critical and creativeness, and when those two things mix together, it’s just beautiful.” – Lilian Ajayi-Ore

Today’s Finding Brave features not only a disruptive leader who is realizing her own tremendous potential, but someone who has created a global movement showing others how to do the same in their own lives.

Lilian Ajayi-Ore is the Founder and Executive Director of the Global Connections for Women Foundation (GC4W), an award-winning not-for-profit organization headquartered in New York City, with a reach of 3.5 million people worldwide. GC4W is one of the leading international non-profits of the millennium in the areas of gender equality, women’s  empowerment, and youth empowerment. Lilian was invited to create the first Teach Gender Equality certificate course for Microsoft Education, and the certificate course is being offered to 2 million teachers worldwide. She is a current doctorate student at the University of Pennsylvania and holds a degree in International Relations from Harvard, and has served on the Permanent Mission of Nigeria to the United Nations, working as policy negotiator in the second committee. Lilian is an award-winning humanitarian and leadership ambassador, who has been invited to speak at the United Nations (in New York), The World Bank, United Nations Development Program, Toronto World Leadership Forum, to name a few.

Lilian is currently a university faculty member at the School of Professional Studies at the New York University, and others. Her professional experience also includes working as the Head of Digital Strategy and Big Data Analytics for several Fortune 500 and Fortune 100 companies including Saks Fifth Ave, Comcast NBC Universal, Panasonic, IBM, Macy’s and Citibank.

Lilian’s insights will help you stand up for what you believe and truly embrace your potential. You’ll hear how you can pursue your passion and purpose, and why fear doesn’t have to stand in your way if you learn how to reframe and even embrace it.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • Why Lilian started GC4W and how she had to “step up” to create it [5:23]
  • The reason she didn’t walk away from something bigger than her, even though others told her to [12:13]
  • What Lilian did in those critical first few years to make GC4W stand out [14:23]
  • How she developed her specific teaching philosophy and the three components of her method that she uses to connect her students with the subject matter [15:58]
  • Where she has received pushback for her educational style [19:23]
  • Her practical advice for young people struggling to find their purpose and the very first step she recommends they take [23:23]
  • What can happen when you decide to turn fear into a positive emotion [29:58]
  • The female role models that have influenced Lilian on her journey and why she feels everyone needs people to emulate [33:23]

For more information:




Resources Mentioned:

17: Expanding Your Introvert Power and Leadership, with Jennifer Kahnweiler

Kathy’s TEDx talk “Time to Brave Up

Helping People Win at Work: A Business Philosophy Called Don’t Mark My Paper, Help Me Get an A by Ken Blanchard and Garry Ridge

The Energy of Money: A Spiritual Guide to Financial and Personal Fulfillment by Maria Nemeth, Ph.D.


“With any idea that you have, you’ve got to start with the research. How are you creating value for the space, and where are you going to fall into it? What’s going to differentiate you from everyone else?” [8:19]

“Obviously we were evolving from all the things we were doing from the beginning. Finding your purpose, or finding a value proposition with what you do has to change. You have to allow the iterative process to take place.” [15:24]

“If you enable students and give them all the tools that they need, do different exercises to really get them out of their comfort zone and challenge them mentally, they will produce their best work.” [20:46]

“Set your mind on finding a way to uncover what your talents are using other people as an example.” [25:25]

“It’s about making value, or creating value for the space you’re in and really committing to it.” [27:02]

“When I feel afraid, I tell myself I’m on to a great thing.” [30:01]

“Find bravery moments. Not every moment is going to be a victorious one, but at least you were brave enough to do it.” [34:41]


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Episode 19: How To Speak Up Effectively When You Feel You Can't

“People who come to me, who can’t speak up, or they’re being disrespected, or they can’t make decisions, or they can’t tell their boss ‘no this doesn’t work’, it comes from childhood. How we are trained in childhood, the culture of the ecosystem that we are raised in, and how we are treated when we try to speak up for ourselves, or when we even think we want to speak up for ourselves. Everything about that is within you now, unless you’ve done the work to revise it, and heal it, and change it.” – Kathy Caprino

Speaking up for ourselves and standing up for what’s right is a deep challenge that I hear about from people literally every day of the week.

Why do we struggle so deeply with speaking up? And what steps can we take today to begin to empower ourselves to say what needs to be said, effectively and authoritatively, even when we feel we can’t?

In today’s episode of Finding Brave, you’ll hear my own personal story of challenge and trauma from my childhood that carried through to my corporate career (and beyond) and impacted my ability to speak up for myself. And we’ll explore the very real and damaging consequences of not speaking your truth.

Being able to speak up effectively for yourself is entwined with our self-worth, self-confidence, esteem, bravery, boundaries, what you learned as a child and in your family, what you experienced when you did speak up, and much more. I share how emotional manipulation and narcissism impacts your ability to advocate for yourself, as well as the 7 essential steps to take to speak up assertively and effectively, especially when you feel you can’t.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • The role our childhoods play in us not being able to speak up [6:59]
  • How I discovered advocating for others was who I really am [10:46]
  • Why clearing your emotions and balancing yourself before you speak is so essential [16:50]
  • How understanding the individual you’re dealing with — and the ecosystem you’re in — will make your communications more successful [19:19]
  • Why you’ll need to approach speaking up to a narcissist differently [22:20]
  • The reason you’ll need to prepare for the consequences of speaking up, and how exactly to do it [26:25]
  • What happens if you try to make everyone happy [29:28]
  • How outside help can be so critical for this [31:05]

Resources Mentioned:

Kathy’s Book Breakdown, Breakthrough: The Professional Woman’s Guide to Claiming a Life of Passion, Power and Purpose

Kathy’s 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

6-part webinar training on Dealing with Narcissism  http://kathycaprino.com/dealing-with-narcissism

Kathy’s Interview Dr. Neha Sangwan on Forbes, The Most Potent Cure For Your Sickness Is Having The Conversation You’re Running From

Dr. Neha Sangwan’s Interview on Best Work/Best Life Podcast

Talk Rx: Five Steps To Honest Conversations that Create Connection, Health and Happiness by Dr. Neha Sangwan

Kathy’s Forbes posts:
10 Ways To ‘Brave Up’: How To Rise Up, Speak Up And Stand Up Boldly For Yourself

7 Crippling Parenting Behaviors That Keep Children From Growing Into Leaders

Gender Bias Is Real: Women’s Perceived Competency Drops Significantly When Judged As Being Forceful

Kathy’s Amazing Career Project

The Big Leap: Conquer Your Hidden Fear and Take Life to the Next Level by Gay Hendricks

Also of interest:

Kathy’s Forbes interview with Lauren Letellier: The Crushing Similarities Between Family And Business Dysfunction


“I hadn’t known that my life could affect my health like that.” [5:00]

“Understand the ecosystem and the individual that you want to share something with.” [19:19]

“You wouldn’t believe the rapid, complete transformation of people when they start to be clear and say what needs to be said.” [25:45]


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Episode 18: Entrepreneurial You: How an Entrepreneurial Approach Catapults Your Success In Any Role, with Dorie Clark

“So many employees are just waiting for something to happen. They’re waiting to be promoted, they’re waiting for the next thing, and it’s not necessarily as clear as it used to be. So we want the employees to say, ‘Hey, here’s where I’m aiming, here’s where I want to go, what are the skills that I need to develop to get there?’” – Dorie Clark

The ability to think more entrepreneurially is essential for all leaders, even those who work within companies. In this timely conversation, Dorie Clark joins us to share her expertise on how we can become more effective leaders by embracing and leveraging our entrepreneurial mindset and capabilities, no matter what type of work setting or culture we’re engaged in.  

Dorie Clark is the author of the new book Entrepreneurial You. Her past books include Reinventing You and Stand Out, which was named the #1 Leadership Book of 2015 by Inc. magazine. A former presidential campaign spokeswoman, she teaches at Duke University and writes frequently for the Harvard Business Review.

You’ll hear from Dorie on how you’ll benefit from having a willingness to talk about, and learn from, failure, as well as how to test and bring your new products and services to market – rather than just making a huge bet and praying it all works out. Dorie explains how to create multiple revenue streams to reduce risk and increase overall ‘career security.  And she explains why we should all be reframing the concept of what entrepreneurship truly means.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • What to consider when creating multiple income streams in your business [5:04]
  • Ways to expand your reach strategically and how Dorie does this herself [8:59]
  • How to transition from making money from something, to making money because of something [12:44]
  • Dorie’s tips for persevering and thriving as an entrepreneur, while minimizing risk [15:52]
  • Why we need to redefine and rethink about who entrepreneurs really are [21:29]
  • How corporations have shifted and why they now want employees to take control of their careers [24:20]
  • The most important things to understand about how we communicate our personal brand, and the biggest mistakes people are making around this [26:49]

For more information:





Resources Mentioned:

Dorie’s Latest Book, Entrepreneurial You: Monetize Your Expertise, Create Multiple Income Streams, and Thrive and her other works

Dorie’s Free Resource, 88 Question Entrepreneurial You Self-Assessment or text “dorieclark” to 44222

15: How To Achieve Phenomenal Success and Impact The World Before Age 30, with Jared Kleinert

Kathy’s TEDx talk “Time to Brave Up

Finding Brave on Facebook

Also of interest:

Kathy’s Forbes interview with Dorie Clark on Introverts and Networking:

How Introverts Can Network Powerfully: 5 Ways To Rock At Networking When You Hate It


“It’s very fun and very gratifying to do networking, if you’re just hanging out with your pals.” [3:26]

“Seeking out, proactively, multiple income streams and how to strategically develop that for your business can be transformative.” [5:30]

“I write articles largely based on things that I want to learn about, and it gives me an excuse to learn about them.” [10:48]

“If you’re an entrepreneur, fundamentally that means that you’re driving your train. You’re taking control of your future and you are building a business.” [23:33]

“It was really a wake-up call for me that so many people who were entrepreneurs did not think of themselves that way.” [24:04]

“(In regards to personal branding) people are failing to connect the dots for other people.” [27:20]


Episode 17: Expanding Your Introvert Power and Leadership, with Jennifer Kahnweiler

“It’s very important that we not try to continually adapt to extroverts. It is the time for introverts. Let me just say, each one of us has that within us, so it’s in all of our best interests to tap into some of those strengths.” – Jennifer Kahnweiler

On today’s Finding Brave, we’ll be discussing the powerful leadership qualities of introverts, and the challenges they undoubtedly face — and can overcome successfully — in their organizations. Our guest today is a unique expert in the field and study of introverts in that she is not an introvert herself, but a champion for them.  

Jennifer B. Kahnweiler, PhD, Certified Speaking Professional, is an author and global speaker hailed as a “champion for introverts.” Her bestselling books The Introverted Leader, Quiet Influence, and The Genius of Opposites have been translated into 16 languages and have helped introverts throughout the world expand their leadership capacity.

Jennifer deepened her knowledge and appreciation for introverts through her work as a learning and development professional contributing to leading organizations like General Electric, FreddieMac, NASA, Turner Broadcasting, the US Centers for Disease Control, and the American Management Association.

Jennifer has been invited to deliver keynote speeches and seminars in Australia, Vietnam, Japan, Germany, the Netherlands, and Paraguay. Her presentations include her characteristic humor, poignant stories, and practical tools. She has also been featured in Fortune, Forbes, Time Magazine, The New York Times, The Huffington Post, and The Wall Street Journal.

Join us as Jennifer shares revealing new content, tools and what she has learned about introverted leadership in the last decade, as we now witness what she refers to as “the rise of the introverts.”

Highlights from this Episode:

  • The characteristics to look for in order to identify an introvert [10:24]
  • What can happen when introverts don’t get their space from others [12:14]
  • Some techniques that work when communicating with introverts [13:44]
  • How different cultures view introverts [15:36]
  • Why introverts are sometimes viewed negatively in corporate roles, particularly in sales [16:14]
  • What quiet influencers can do now to unlock even more success [19:34]
  • The various strengths that introverts possess [20:08]
  • What is “engaged listening” and why it’s so important to be aware of [27:19]
  • How introverts can use social media effectively [33:09]
  • The big idea that Jennifer wants readers to take from her latest book [35:39]

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Resources Mentioned:

Jennifer’s Books

Her Quizzes, The Introverted Leadership Skills Quiz, Are You a Quiet or Expressive Influencer and Genius of Opposites Quiz

Kathy’s Forbes Post, I’m Sick Of Our Culture’s Bias Against Introverts — And I’m Ashamed To Admit I Share In It

To Sell Is Human: The Surprising Truth About Moving Others by Daniel H. Pink

Arianna Huffington’s Thrive Global

Finding Brave on Facebook


“Like any diversity issue, if we think we know what it’s like to be somebody different than us, we’re fooling ourselves.” [8:43]

“That’s the prevailing Western society expectation. That you emote and that you talk, and that you express.” [15:36]

“Introverts take their time to express their thoughts, and writing is a sweet spot (for them).” [18:19]

“The people that we know who are the contributors and really make a difference in our companies are the people who bring thoughtful, well-crafted responses.” [20:59]

“Overuse of a strength is a weakness.” [34:54]

“You can actually become extremely successful, however you define success, by building on what you do beautifully already.” [35:55]


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Episode 16: Sharing The Real You: How To Work Your Quirks, with William Arruda

“And now people realize that it doesn’t matter if you work inside a company, you have your own job or you’re a solopreneur. You need to offer something that’s unique and valuable, and that is based in who you are.” – William Arruda

Personal branding is something we hear about often when it applies to entrepreneurs and online business owners, but it’s also something that employees in the corporate world, as well as job seekers, should be aware of and hone consciously and powerfully.

Often people think they should be hiding what makes them different (what we’re calling here their “quirks”) when in fact these traits and characteristics are what’s most fascinating, unique and memorable about them. When it comes to personal branding and working your quirks, today’s expert guest on Finding Brave is the go-to source for top-level, expert information and strategies.

Referred to as “The Personal Branding Guru” by Entrepreneur magazine, William Arruda has been credited with turning the concept of personal branding into a global industry. A corporate branding veteran, William is the founder and President of Reach, the global leader in personal branding with representatives in 49 countries and products that have been used by more than a million people.

He has the distinct privilege of having delivered more personal branding keynotes to more people in more places than anyone else on earth. American Express, Google, Gucci, IBM, J&J, LinkedIn, Pepsi and Target are just a few in a long list of his clients. As a thought-leader, William is a spokesperson on personal branding and social media. He has appeared on BBC TV, the Discovery Channel and NPR and he’s been featured in 1,000+ publications. He’s the bestselling author of the definitive books on executive branding, Ditch. Dare. Do! and Career Distinction and he writes a regular column for Forbes.

This episode with William Arruda will encourage and inspire you to infuse everything you do with the parts of you that make you truly unique and different. And you’ll begin to understand why your uniqueness is so important to the world.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • How thought leaders can embrace their vulnerability in order to build a brand that stands out [2:29]
  • What is personal branding, and why everyone needs it [6:06]
  • A powerful example of someone who’s turned her quirks into assets [11:11]
  • Who you’ll want to
  • focus on attracting if you’re in a corporate job [14:21]
  • What’s changed in the corporate world and the role of social media in breaking down certain walls [18:21]
  • William’s tips for working your quirks in a different way [23:19]

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Resources Mentioned:

William’s Forbe’s Column

His Books, Ditch Dare Do & Career Distinction


“We are taught, over and over and over again, that fitting in is good and standing out is bad.”[2:46]

“If we want to be successful, we need to know what our authenticity is.” [6:29]

“If you want everyone to like you, then your full-time job should be fitting in.” [13:03]

“We have to be comfortable (knowing) though that when we stand out, we can repel as many people as we attract.” [13:27]

“If you want to manage your first impression online, there’s one place to go. Tell your story in an authentic and compelling way on LinkedIn.” [20:59]

“In the corporate world, there’s applied personal branding. How do you take what makes you unique and valuable, and use that as a way to further your career, and at the same time move the company brand forward? [22:07]


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