“To awaken your Joy of Genius, start with a commitment that’s just giving yourself permission to discover more of what your genius is. Out of that commitment comes a whole new wealth of ideas that will come forth.” – Gay Hendricks

Today’s Finding Brave episode is all about how to address negative thinking once and for all, and also claim your true creativity and work and live from within your zone of genius. This is a special conversation, and I’m honored to speak directly with the inspiring Gay Hendricks whom I’ve admired for years, especially since reading his amazing book The Big Leap. Gay joins the podcast to share the essence of his new book The Joy of Genius, a powerful new sequel to The Big Leap.  

Gay Hendricks has been a leader in the fields of relationship transformation and bodymind transformation for more than 45 years. After earning his Ph.D. from Stanford in 1974, Gay served as Professor of Counseling Psychology at the University of Colorado for 21 years. He has written more than 40 books, including bestsellers such as Five Wishes, The Big Leap, Conscious Loving and Conscious Loving Ever After, (the last two co-authored with his co-author and mate for more than 35 years, Dr. Kathlyn Hendricks).

A true embodiment of living in our zone of genius and creativity, Gay is also a mystery novelist, with a series of five books featuring the Tibetan-Buddhist private detective, Tenzing Norbu, as well as a new mystery series featuring a Victorian-era London detective, Sir Errol Hyde. His latest book, The Joy of Genius, shows how to eliminate negative thinking and bring forth true creativity. Gay has appeared on more than 500 radio and television shows, including Oprah, CNN, CNBC, 48 HOURS, and others.

Gay shares his concept of The Genius Spiral, which is a big part of his latest book, and he reveals how to take life’s difficult moments and turn them into springboards to genius. The best part is that what Gay talks about won’t take you hours a day to master. You’ll find that a commitment to giving just a few minutes a day will help lead you to discover your true genius and creativity.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • The reasons we should be aware of our zones of genius, excellence competence, as well as our zone of incompetence [4:16]
  • What Gay’s concept of The Genius Spiral entails and the experience that led him to creating his latest book [5:56]
  • How you’ll know if you’re in the creative zone and the way to discover your own genius by devoting just 10 minutes a day [13:26]
  • Why we should be open to failure and an example from Gay’s own life when he did this [16:41]
  • How his teachings can quite literally change your life [25:13]
  • What Gay feels is the number one thing holding people back today [31:55]
  • Why every single person is special [33:26]

For more information:







Resources Mentioned:

Gay’s Latest Book, The Joy of Genius: The Next Step Beyond The Big Leap & His Other Works

Their Seminars

Kathy’s Forbes interview with Gay:

Bestselling Author Gay Hendricks Reveals Our Biggest Barriers To Success and How To Overcome Them


“Even very powerful people often realize they spend a lot of time, or ‘waste’ a lot of time, doing things that they’re not any good at.” [4:39]

“Any important commitment must begin inside, with your own commitment to yourself.” [12:27]

“You can’t make an outside commitment or vow with your voice if you don’t feel it inside.” [13:29]

“Fear doesn’t drive creativity. A lot of times fear drives our resistance to our creativity.” [14:44]

“You’re already good at creating these problems, and right underneath them is your genius trying to break through. So the Joy of Genius shows you how to do that and as the title suggests, you actually get a burst of joy from it.” [20:55]

“Time will expand to accommodate your genius.” [26:53]


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  1. Susan-Marie Quenneville

    Wonderful information. After listening to this I did something I have not done in over 15 years… I went out for a walk and took pictures. I gave myself permission to be creative just for fun!

    • Kathy Caprino

      I’m so happy to hear this Sue-Marie. Thank you for listening and sharing!


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