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“If you’re talking to the same people, you are going to get the same answer. If you’ve got the same people in the room, I guarantee you you’re going to get the same answer [about diversity].”Fields Jackson, Jr. 

When people are held accountable for budgets, sales, etc., you clearly see who can measure up. When a leader is held accountable for any type of diversity measurement and metric, the same clear picture emerges. The only difference is that so few have been held accountable for diversity – until now. Today’s Finding Brave expert guest pulls back the curtain on what leaders and organizations have to start doing right now if they are truly committed to building a diverse and inclusive workplace.

​​Fields Jackson, Jr. is the Founder and CEO and Chief Cheerleader of Racing Toward Diversity Magazine, and adjunct professor, teaching Principles of Business at Shaw University. He also teaches at South Carolina State, Southern University, and is the former Executive Director of the HBCU Business Dean’s Round-table.

Fields has been recognized by Diversity Best Practices as one of the Top Diversity Thought Leaders on Twitter, and has been identified by Onalytica, of London, England as #13 of the top 100 global influencers focusing on Gender  Equality and Diversity.

I’m so grateful for Fields’ deeply honest sharing and candid views about diversity and how we build more diverse cultures starting today. His approach makes the work of creating and sustaining a diverse and inclusive workplace simple, but that doesn’t mean it’s easy. As we discuss, the effort generates tremendous opportunities and transformation, and by following what he shares in this episode, I am confident that you too can move the needle in your workplace, towards greater inclusion.

Highlights from this Episode:

  • How Fields defines Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI), and what it looks like in practice [4:23]
  • The negative impact of team members not feeling included or treated fairly compared with their counterparts [7:50]
  • Why he says that murder of George Floyd didn’t shock him, but what it did change for the rest of the world [16:11]
  • What leaders need to do now to stop being silent and to start addressing racism [17:28]
  • The inspiring story of how Fields began connecting students of HBCUs with employment opportunities [30:37]
  • What he believes makes a good CEO, and what the true role of this position should be [37:33]
  • How you can tell if you’re winning with diversity, and the first steps to take to begin making meaningful change in your organization [39:57]

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“You can sit at an eye level and not be included, so you feel like you’re an outsider.” [7:55]

“Since I’ve been a little guy, [tragedies like the George Floyd murder] have happened. What changed is that the rest of the world got to see, for 8 minutes, man’s inhumanity to man.” [17:11] 

“There’s no more silence. When you go silent, my default [thinking] is that you are ok with [racism].” [18:28] 

“That’s diversity. You want the best minds thinking about something.” [35:35]

“How do you find talent? What does it look like? There are people out there that can identify it. I think the greatest skill is talent.” [37:41] 

“How do you know when you’re winning [with diversity]? The only way I know if I’m winning is if I can measure it.” [39:57]


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