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If you’ve got the highest salary in the room because you’ve been there the longest, and you’re delivering less value than a fresh graduate or a Millennial who will work for half of what you’re getting, you’ve got a problem.” – Fawn Germer

Millions of accomplished professionals are killing their careers by accidentally slipping into irrelevance. They can’t figure out why they’ve sputtered out, been pushed aside or pushed out. Today’s Finding Brave guest interviewed more than 300 CEOs, senior executives, workplace experts, academics, lawyers and professionals and found out that we must immediately stage a career comeback – even if we continue to do our best work and are the best person for our job today.

Best-selling author and Pulitzer nominee Fawn Germer shows how to stop blaming everything from millennials to the pace of change to age discrimination and take doable steps to get back in the game and win. This acclaimed leadership speaker asks: “What if your greatest success hasn’t even happened yet?” 

In today’s episode, Fawn shares actionable strategies for being flexible and resilient in the face of a quickly changing work environment. She even reveals ways in which she has needed to be brave and “figure things out” in her own career, and these lessons show the importance of just starting to learn essential new skills, and having fun in the process. 

Highlights from this Episode:

  • The reasons Fawn knew that she had to write her latest book, and the way it evolved from the original concept that she had [5:04]

  • Why being relevant is the single most important thing that you can do for your career [6:38]

  • How you can reframe being a “victim” in order to thrive in the face of professional adversity [8:23]

  • A powerful lesson that Fawn learned about adapting and asking for help in the process, and the first steps to take in order to remain relevant [14:19]

  • What to do in order to up your game in terms of your appearance and image and why that matters [16:40]

  • Something that most people don’t understand about being relevant, plus why so many are resistant to learning new skills [19:39]

  • Why professionals are staying in their jobs too long, and her advice for someone moving on from his or her current position [26:01]

  • What shocked Fawn the most while she was writing her latest book [28:27]

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Other resources mentioned:

Fawn’s Free Downloadable Resources 

All of Her Books 

Fawn’s Newsweek Feature

Coursera & edX

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Harvard Business Review, Inc. & Fast Company

Kathy’s Power Gaps Survey & Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success

Her TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy’s Video Training Course on Udemy & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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“If you’re still working this information is still very valid, because you’re likely going to experience some degree of being sidelined unless you’ve changed your game.” [6:26]

“I don’t want people to make themselves a victim. I’m not blaming them, but there comes a point where we have to look in the mirror and own what we haven’t done that may have contributed to this.” [8:26]

“There will be times when a company is going to give up on you, but if they see that you’re coming in day in and day out with ideas that will make them more successful, you are of value.” [16:30]

“It’s not personal, and you are not the only one suffering this. It is sad and I understand that, but it’s real.” [22:28]

“So what if something doesn’t work? All of our success really comes by taking risks and failure, or near failure just pushes us closer to whatever it is that’s going to work.” [24:20]

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