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“This older way, what we call this more conventional and confined way of being a man, it no longer works. It’s proving to be unhealthy, and even dangerous in the workplace and beyond, in society.” – Ed Frauenheim

In the flatter, faster, fairness-focused world that’s taking shape today, it’s become clear that we need a new model for how men show up and lead in organizations. According to today’s Finding Brave guest, the traditional, “confined” masculinity steers men to be more rigid, cold and isolated in a work world that’s now calling for flexibility, warmth and connection. He shares his powerful messages and insights about how a new, liberating masculinity is emerging—and can be seen in some of today’s leading business executives and sports leaders. It’s a male ethos that enables men to break out of the emotional straightjacket many grew up with, to reckon with the privilege and power they have long benefitted from, and to succeed in new, inclusive ways. 

Ed Frauenheim is a writer and speaker who has focused on workplace, technology and culture matters for more than 25 years. His writing has been featured in Fortune, Inc. and USA Today. He has co-authored four books including the latest, Reinventing Masculinity: The Liberating Power of Compassion and Connection, co-written with Dr. Ed Adams, a past president of the American Psychological Association’s division devoted to the treatment of men and boys. 

In their book, the two Eds tell the story of how we are evolving from a cramped, unhealthy, outdated masculinity to one that frees us all to build a better, more inclusive future.  

In this episode, Ed reveals the ways that we can all move from exclusive to inclusive success through the use of his innovative “5Cs” framework. This information can help us all level up to succeed and develop our inclusive spirit and habits. 

Highlights from this Episode:

  • Why we need to be calling for a reinvention of masculinity particularly at this very point in time [4:52]

  • Ed’s personal experience that inspired him to write his latest book [8:28]

  • What he is seeing in the current United States political landscape in terms of masculinity [10:06]

  • The significant differences in programming between men and women that often happens at a very young age [13:06]

  • Why Ed says that despite the tragic losses there are silver linings in this global pandemic [17:07]

  • What’s really holding men back from doing the inner work that is needed [20:17]

  • A breakdown of his powerful “5Cs” framework [21:09]

  • Why we all need to “slow down to go faster” – plus examples of men embracing a new way of thinking and being [27:31]

  • How men will know when it’s time to do something and change, and the way that women can help in this process [31:54]

For More Information:

Ed’s Latest Book, Reinventing Masculinity: The Liberating Power of Compassion and Connection & on Audible

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Ed’s Books: 

Reinventing Masculinity: The Liberating Power of Compassion and Connection

A Great Place to Work For All: Better for Business. Better for People. Better for the World 

Organized Innovation: A Blueprint for Renewing America’s Prosperity 

Good Company: Business Success in the Worthiness Era

Other Book Mentioned:

White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by Robin J. DiAngelo

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“More and more research is showing that you get the best results when you have that diverse and inclusive culture.” [6:39]

“We really need to work at these power gaps and find ways to have a more equitable organization. I think that’s true for men and for women, so I’m hopeful to find those folks who are curious.” [19:24]

“[Curiosity] kind of gets smushed out of us by the time we’re teenagers, or early young men, because you’ve got to be the smartest guy in the room. To ask a question is to acknowledge vulnerability, yet that’s not flying in today’s world.” [21:59]

“We need to pause and to be still to access our feelings and to settle our brains to make wise decisions, especially intuitively in moments of great change.” [29:09]

“When we realize the power of pausing, and to make it not just be about getting there but being mindful of the journey, then good things happen.” [29:56]

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